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		<title>Comment on Agile learning and agile education by Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 08:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

with all the changes occurring in HE in the UK at the moment, not really sure where anything is going. Probably we&#039;ll have lots of change without anything really changing at all. My own interest is about developing a more student centred approach for my own satisfaction.

Besides agile development (and mainly techniques here), I am interested in two theories for educational development. One is an old theory - Constructive Alignment - that lends it self to a kind of test driven development approach. Start by developing the assessment about what you want learning you want to occur, and then develop the teaching activities/goals around that. 

The other approach is the idea of threshold concepts, where you use the students to identify those theoretical sticking points, that once learnt shed a light on everything else. Then you work around those until the students are satisfied they are understood. This kind of relates to an iterative feature driven approach in agile development, but lots of risk attached due to the more messy, chaotic journey students may take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>with all the changes occurring in HE in the UK at the moment, not really sure where anything is going. Probably we&#8217;ll have lots of change without anything really changing at all. My own interest is about developing a more student centred approach for my own satisfaction.</p>
<p>Besides agile development (and mainly techniques here), I am interested in two theories for educational development. One is an old theory &#8211; Constructive Alignment &#8211; that lends it self to a kind of test driven development approach. Start by developing the assessment about what you want learning you want to occur, and then develop the teaching activities/goals around that. </p>
<p>The other approach is the idea of threshold concepts, where you use the students to identify those theoretical sticking points, that once learnt shed a light on everything else. Then you work around those until the students are satisfied they are understood. This kind of relates to an iterative feature driven approach in agile development, but lots of risk attached due to the more messy, chaotic journey students may take.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agile learning and agile education by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there Simon! Yes, the lifespan of the current models does seem very limited nowadays, with lots of &quot;next big things in education&quot; out there ready to jump in and replace them.

I&#039;m currently focusing on a tool to help model, nurture and grow goal-based learning both within and without educational institutions (ie. I might have a goal for a course I&#039;m taking at University, but my Aunty who is a professional in a related area is also mentoring this goal along with my tutor and some peers from the uni). The idea being, like you say, to be able to help people learn your topic while really helping them learn to learn themselves, in a way that is sustainable in and beyond large learning environments (that doesn&#039;t describe the agile-nature of the way it would be used - like pull-based &quot;next tasks&quot; for goals etc., but this answer is already longer than it should be).

And that work is itself currently focused on getting a sustainable, fun, test-driven code-base for a prototype that I can demo on any device (ie. html5/js based - if you&#039;re interested i the details you can see the current code of &lt;a href=&quot;https://github.com/absoludity/open-goal-tracker&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open-goal-tracker&lt;/a&gt;). I&#039;m hoping to get the codebase to a point where I can demo why I think it&#039;s a step forward (together with all the excellent content-based resources available), and get people interested (both educational coders, and investors).

But given the normal excuses of full-time work and family etc., progress is slow :) Realistically, I&#039;ll be happy if I have a tool (whether it&#039;s open-goal-tracker or not) which will enable me to re-enter education in a few years time and help people learn.

What about yourself? Where do you see Liverpool uni headed in this respect, or your role there... I&#039;d be interested to hear how you see various alternatives functioning in a university, and how the transitions to those alternatives could occur etc. Thanks for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there Simon! Yes, the lifespan of the current models does seem very limited nowadays, with lots of &#8220;next big things in education&#8221; out there ready to jump in and replace them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently focusing on a tool to help model, nurture and grow goal-based learning both within and without educational institutions (ie. I might have a goal for a course I&#8217;m taking at University, but my Aunty who is a professional in a related area is also mentoring this goal along with my tutor and some peers from the uni). The idea being, like you say, to be able to help people learn your topic while really helping them learn to learn themselves, in a way that is sustainable in and beyond large learning environments (that doesn&#8217;t describe the agile-nature of the way it would be used &#8211; like pull-based &#8220;next tasks&#8221; for goals etc., but this answer is already longer than it should be).</p>
<p>And that work is itself currently focused on getting a sustainable, fun, test-driven code-base for a prototype that I can demo on any device (ie. html5/js based &#8211; if you&#8217;re interested i the details you can see the current code of <a href="https://github.com/absoludity/open-goal-tracker" rel="nofollow">open-goal-tracker</a>). I&#8217;m hoping to get the codebase to a point where I can demo why I think it&#8217;s a step forward (together with all the excellent content-based resources available), and get people interested (both educational coders, and investors).</p>
<p>But given the normal excuses of full-time work and family etc., progress is slow :) Realistically, I&#8217;ll be happy if I have a tool (whether it&#8217;s open-goal-tracker or not) which will enable me to re-enter education in a few years time and help people learn.</p>
<p>What about yourself? Where do you see Liverpool uni headed in this respect, or your role there&#8230; I&#8217;d be interested to hear how you see various alternatives functioning in a university, and how the transitions to those alternatives could occur etc. Thanks for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agile learning and agile education by Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael, with the major changes we are seeing in the UK tertiary education sector I am going through a period of serious reflection on teaching practices. Frequently the model employed is the lecture/tutorial paradigm (but with the huge classes we have these days the tutorials are actually second lectures), but with developments in podcasting, ItunesU, massively online lecturing, this model surely has a limited life span. Having been a programmer in another life I have also turned to the notion of agile learning, because much of the &#039;stuff&#039; we teach is actually very transitory in nature, and a few years after leaving university probably outdated. Using the stuff to teach &#039;thinking&#039; appears to me to be a more productive way forward for institutions, and something like an agile development process suits this kind of &#039;learn what you need as you need it&#039;. Just wondering where you are up to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, with the major changes we are seeing in the UK tertiary education sector I am going through a period of serious reflection on teaching practices. Frequently the model employed is the lecture/tutorial paradigm (but with the huge classes we have these days the tutorials are actually second lectures), but with developments in podcasting, ItunesU, massively online lecturing, this model surely has a limited life span. Having been a programmer in another life I have also turned to the notion of agile learning, because much of the &#8216;stuff&#8217; we teach is actually very transitory in nature, and a few years after leaving university probably outdated. Using the stuff to teach &#8216;thinking&#8217; appears to me to be a more productive way forward for institutions, and something like an agile development process suits this kind of &#8216;learn what you need as you need it&#8217;. Just wondering where you are up to?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agile learning &#8211; an alternative learning model by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dick. Yes - I was reading through your interview with David Jennings recently (after making contact with David), and was very excited to see other people thinking about agile learning (specifically in the agile-software-development vein, rather than generally &#039;flexible&#039; learning).

I found a few more people on a later post (&lt;a href=&quot;http://liveandletlearn.net/agile-learning-and-agile-education/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Agile learning and agile education&lt;/a&gt;) and in the years in between, had the opportunity to experiment while working with a group of people learning web programming.

And yes, I do agree that enabling people to adapt their own learning plan is important - see &lt;a href=&quot;http://liveandletlearn.net/tip-5-gradually-hand-over-control-of-learning/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tip 5: Gradually handing over control of learning&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;m currently trying to put an open-source web application together in my spare time - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsoufcLjUZ4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Learning Goals / Goal Tracker overview&lt;/a&gt; to help facilitae individualised learning on a larger scale.

Where is your current focus, Dick? Have you had the chance to be working on other edu-projects since LearnDirect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dick. Yes &#8211; I was reading through your interview with David Jennings recently (after making contact with David), and was very excited to see other people thinking about agile learning (specifically in the agile-software-development vein, rather than generally &#8216;flexible&#8217; learning).</p>
<p>I found a few more people on a later post (<a href="http://liveandletlearn.net/agile-learning-and-agile-education/" rel="nofollow">Agile learning and agile education</a>) and in the years in between, had the opportunity to experiment while working with a group of people learning web programming.</p>
<p>And yes, I do agree that enabling people to adapt their own learning plan is important &#8211; see <a href="http://liveandletlearn.net/tip-5-gradually-hand-over-control-of-learning/" rel="nofollow">Tip 5: Gradually handing over control of learning</a>. I&#8217;m currently trying to put an open-source web application together in my spare time &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsoufcLjUZ4" rel="nofollow">Learning Goals / Goal Tracker overview</a> to help facilitae individualised learning on a larger scale.</p>
<p>Where is your current focus, Dick? Have you had the chance to be working on other edu-projects since LearnDirect?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agile learning &#8211; an alternative learning model by Dick Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is not the answer to get the learner to develop / adapt  their own learning plan from the master plan and you get to sign it off.  Overtyping.  

You were here first but we are thinking along similar lines, I blogged on agile learning last year at http://www.toolsandtaxonomy.com/2010/07/13/agile-learning-agile-software-development-and-the-mobile-internet/  

Interested in your comments.  Did you get much pick up on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is not the answer to get the learner to develop / adapt  their own learning plan from the master plan and you get to sign it off.  Overtyping.  </p>
<p>You were here first but we are thinking along similar lines, I blogged on agile learning last year at <a href="http://www.toolsandtaxonomy.com/2010/07/13/agile-learning-agile-software-development-and-the-mobile-internet/" rel="nofollow">http://www.toolsandtaxonomy.com/2010/07/13/agile-learning-agile-software-development-and-the-mobile-internet/</a>  </p>
<p>Interested in your comments.  Did you get much pick up on this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agile learning and agile education by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David! Yes - I&#039;m looking forward to chatting and finding out more about the agile learning discussions you&#039;ve been having in the UK and the direction that you and others are heading. I hope to read through the various interviews that you&#039;ve done beforehand too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David! Yes &#8211; I&#8217;m looking forward to chatting and finding out more about the agile learning discussions you&#8217;ve been having in the UK and the direction that you and others are heading. I hope to read through the various interviews that you&#8217;ve done beforehand too!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Hannu - I&#039;ve updated the above page with your link and will go through the related links from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Hannu &#8211; I&#8217;ve updated the above page with your link and will go through the related links from there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agile learning and agile education by David Jennings</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael, Lots of conversations to be had here, but just to pick up on your observation about my (loose!) definition &quot;general ‘agile’ principles for learning and education but not deriving from agile methodology in software engineering&quot;. 

Yes, that&#039;s definitely true in the sense of not deriving exclusively from agile methodology. One of the interviews I did about agile learning, with &lt;a href=&quot;http://alchemi.co.uk/archives/ele/dick_moore_on_a.html&quot; title=&quot;Dick Moore interview on Agile Learning&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dick Moore&lt;/a&gt;, draws a number of explicit comparisons between agile learning and agile development methods. So that&#039;s definitely feeding into the discussions we&#039;ve been having in the UK.

Would very much like to extend that discussion to merge with what you&#039;re doing as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, Lots of conversations to be had here, but just to pick up on your observation about my (loose!) definition &#8220;general ‘agile’ principles for learning and education but not deriving from agile methodology in software engineering&#8221;. </p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s definitely true in the sense of not deriving exclusively from agile methodology. One of the interviews I did about agile learning, with <a href="http://alchemi.co.uk/archives/ele/dick_moore_on_a.html" title="Dick Moore interview on Agile Learning" rel="nofollow">Dick Moore</a>, draws a number of explicit comparisons between agile learning and agile development methods. So that&#8217;s definitely feeding into the discussions we&#8217;ve been having in the UK.</p>
<p>Would very much like to extend that discussion to merge with what you&#8217;re doing as well&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Hannu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TECFA folks at the University of Geneva maintainthe EduTechWiki that has &lt;a href=&quot;http://edutechwiki.unige.ch/en/Agile_learning&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a page about Agile Learning&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TECFA folks at the University of Geneva maintainthe EduTechWiki that has <a href="http://edutechwiki.unige.ch/en/Agile_learning" rel="nofollow">a page about Agile Learning</a>.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Learning, freedom and the web &#171; Live and let learn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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