Comments on: Good boy Daddy! - Intervention and Learning http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/ Living and learning for life Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:15:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Tip 3: Provide relevant and practical activities to learn through doing at live and let learn http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-15398 Tip 3: Provide relevant and practical activities to learn through doing at live and let learn Mon, 07 May 2007 01:52:29 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-15398 [...] - just make sure the learner gets to learn the process by doing the process. The biggest danger is learner frustration so be ready to intervene if necessary (and only if necessary!) You might scaffold the activity [...] [...] - just make sure the learner gets to learn the process by doing the process. The biggest danger is learner frustration so be ready to intervene if necessary (and only if necessary!) You might scaffold the activity [...]

]]> By: Teacher tip 1: Model learning not teaching at live and let learn http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-12100 Teacher tip 1: Model learning not teaching at live and let learn Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:38:18 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-12100 [...] times to assume the Sage-on-the-Stage teacher role, or times to simply give the Right AnswerTM to avoid learner frustration, but under normal circumstances the most valuable things that your learners can learn from you are [...] [...] times to assume the Sage-on-the-Stage teacher role, or times to simply give the Right AnswerTM to avoid learner frustration, but under normal circumstances the most valuable things that your learners can learn from you are [...]

]]> By: I want to be useful at live and let learn http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-5112 I want to be useful at live and let learn Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:33:59 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-5112 [...] These points have been hammered home for me before (see “Good boy Daddy - Intervention and learning“) and every educational text will emphasise their importance. But this time I was the learner. I was the one whose biggest fear was being useless. I was the one who appreciated someone else’s expert guidence, grace and patience. I can’t help thinking how useful it has been to be thrown into a completely unfamiliar environment as an absolute beginner - maybe we should be intentional about throwing ourselves into these situations more often? [...] [...] These points have been hammered home for me before (see “Good boy Daddy - Intervention and learning“) and every educational text will emphasise their importance. But this time I was the learner. I was the one whose biggest fear was being useless. I was the one who appreciated someone else’s expert guidence, grace and patience. I can’t help thinking how useful it has been to be thrown into a completely unfamiliar environment as an absolute beginner - maybe we should be intentional about throwing ourselves into these situations more often? [...]

]]> By: Ian Bridges http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-962 Ian Bridges Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:23:08 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-962 Hi Michael, You've hilighted something very fundamental to how we learn and are taught - our personal developmental stages, and preferred learning styles at those stages. Our kids really bring that into focus, and even as adults we have to deal with our motivation, how we learn, whether we are ready to learn a new skill, whether we are able to learn it and even if ready and able - are we open to what is being taught around competing influences in our lives. A real challenge for teachers - and parents - as guides, facilitators and mentors. Talk to you soon, Ian B Hi Michael,

You’ve hilighted something very fundamental to how we learn and are taught - our personal developmental stages, and preferred learning styles at those stages. Our kids really bring that into focus, and even as adults we have to deal with our motivation, how we learn, whether we are ready to learn a new skill, whether we are able to learn it and even if ready and able - are we open to what is being taught around competing influences in our lives. A real challenge for teachers - and parents - as guides, facilitators and mentors.

Talk to you soon,
Ian B

]]> By: live and let learn » Live what you teach http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-949 live and let learn » Live what you teach Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:00:11 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-949 [...] Wow. What a huge responsibility for all of us - teachers, parents, students, children, grandparents - we’re all ‘teachers’ in different aspects of our lives because we all live our lives demonstrating our learning, skills and attitudes. Being paid with public money to be a ‘teacher’ makes me want to model learning more than anything… but I’m still not certain that that’s what students want from me (for some learners, this works well, but for others it’s a constant frustration….see Good Boy Daddy - Intervention and Learning) [...] [...] Wow. What a huge responsibility for all of us - teachers, parents, students, children, grandparents - we’re all ‘teachers’ in different aspects of our lives because we all live our lives demonstrating our learning, skills and attitudes. Being paid with public money to be a ‘teacher’ makes me want to model learning more than anything… but I’m still not certain that that’s what students want from me (for some learners, this works well, but for others it’s a constant frustration….see Good Boy Daddy - Intervention and Learning) [...]

]]> By: Rob McMicking http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-843 Rob McMicking Wed, 03 May 2006 05:04:49 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-843 Hey Michael, Thanks for your message. I was out first thing this morning and purchased "Javascript For The World Wide Web". I'll get my head into that. Hope I'll be OK when I come out the other end. May need some counciling. Hope all is well in Bullaburra and Wenty. Till later, Rob Hey Michael,

Thanks for your message. I was out first thing this morning and purchased “Javascript For The World Wide Web”. I’ll get my head into that. Hope I’ll be OK when I come out the other end. May need some counciling.

Hope all is well in Bullaburra and Wenty.

Till later,
Rob

]]> By: Michael http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-838 Michael Mon, 01 May 2006 10:06:37 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-838 Hi rob! Glad you enjoyed the post :) It certainly is hard to find that balance between working to figure things out and drowning! My rule of thumb is that if you feel like you're starting to sink or losing motivation fast then it's time to get a helping hand! Of course, that's a little hard when you're so far away in Melbourne! (I'd not stress too much about the intro to programming at the moment, you're time would be better spent with a good Javascript book and working through examples... easier to do when you're on your own!) When you're back in class, I'll need to depend on you to tell me when you're sinking though! Glad to hear Melbourne is great! Look forward to reading your blog post! Hi rob! Glad you enjoyed the post :)

It certainly is hard to find that balance between working to figure things out and drowning! My rule of thumb is that if you feel like you’re starting to sink or losing motivation fast then it’s time to get a helping hand!

Of course, that’s a little hard when you’re so far away in Melbourne! (I’d not stress too much about the intro to programming at the moment, you’re time would be better spent with a good Javascript book and working through examples… easier to do when you’re on your own!)

When you’re back in class, I’ll need to depend on you to tell me when you’re sinking though!

Glad to hear Melbourne is great! Look forward to reading your blog post!

]]> By: Rob McMicking http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-836 Rob McMicking Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:42:45 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-836 Hey Michael, Greetings form Rob here in Melbourne at my computer at 9am ready to work! Thought your blog on learning was great! Very interesting, as I have been struggeling with that problem myself. When you do find things out yourself, it is a great sense of pride and satisfaction, but sometimes it can work the opposite when you feel you are just swimming in stuff you know nothing about, and the whole your in just seems to get deeper and deeper. I have struggled with the programming site exersise you gave us for the holidays. Just understanding what the words and 'operations' were was like a foreign language mostly. Depression certainly set in, and the project kept getting put off. Sometimes situations like this can be very daugnting and and if a answer isn't found for yourself, can be debilitating with your learning. Too many trees. Mostly I do think finding things out yourself is great, but there are times, it is just too much and you do need a friendly helping hand. Only my thoughts. Am loving the whole experience!! Melbourne is GREAT! rain today so nice to stay in and work away at TAFE from here. Will send a blog soon. Love to all, Rob Hey Michael,

Greetings form Rob here in Melbourne at my computer at 9am ready to work!

Thought your blog on learning was great! Very interesting, as I have been struggeling with that problem myself. When you do find things out yourself, it is a great sense of pride and satisfaction, but sometimes it can work the opposite when you feel you are just swimming in stuff you know nothing about, and the whole your in just seems to get deeper and deeper.

I have struggled with the programming site exersise you gave us for the holidays. Just understanding what the words and ‘operations’ were was like a foreign language mostly. Depression certainly set in, and the project kept getting put off.

Sometimes situations like this can be very daugnting and and if a answer isn’t found for yourself, can be debilitating with your learning. Too many trees.

Mostly I do think finding things out yourself is great, but there are times, it is just too much and you do need a friendly helping hand.

Only my thoughts. Am loving the whole experience!!

Melbourne is GREAT! rain today so nice to stay in and work away at TAFE from here. Will send a blog soon.

Love to all,
Rob

]]> By: Michael http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-830 Michael Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:32:16 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-830 Sounds like both you guys have to deal with people who aren't motivated to learn but just wanted the 'right answer' to be checked-off. Simmo, I guess in your situation people just want to do their job. Maybe if they could see that with some simple strategies for solving their problems they could save time and get their job done faster? Edward, the situation you mentioned at Ultimo is crazy hey - I mean, where do we get the idea that "getting the right result" (through whatever means) is the same as understanding <em>how to solve a problem</em>. Problem solving is, I reckon, one of the most important skills to learn, but at School it's not always taught... instead we're shown how to get the right answer. I like your idea about partial solutions with hints. Kathy Sierra has some good ideas about <a rel="nofollow" href="http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/07/ten_tips_for_ne.html">designing activities</a> like this (see point 6) Designing Activities) that I try to integrate into our own stuff, like the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://liveandletlearn.net/wp-admin/en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Web_Design/JavaScript:JavaScript_Challenges">Javascript Challenges</a>). Thanks for the input! Sounds like both you guys have to deal with people who aren’t motivated to learn but just wanted the ‘right answer’ to be checked-off.

Simmo, I guess in your situation people just want to do their job. Maybe if they could see that with some simple strategies for solving their problems they could save time and get their job done faster?

Edward, the situation you mentioned at Ultimo is crazy hey - I mean, where do we get the idea that “getting the right result” (through whatever means) is the same as understanding how to solve a problem. Problem solving is, I reckon, one of the most important skills to learn, but at School it’s not always taught… instead we’re shown how to get the right answer.

I like your idea about partial solutions with hints. Kathy Sierra has some good ideas about designing activities like this (see point 6) Designing Activities) that I try to integrate into our own stuff, like the Javascript Challenges).

Thanks for the input!

]]> By: Edward Smith http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-827 Edward Smith Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:49:29 +0000 http://liveandletlearn.net/good-boy-daddy-intervention-and-learning/#comment-827 That’s a very good story, and situation. It seems hard to know when you have to step in to show them. But I often feel that with something’s especially with languages that if you show them they won’t really get it. So I try to give them a hint or a partial solution, but then that just makes them angry and feel that I’m playing the fool with them. I remember when I was learning Java at Ultimo TAFE, some students would never get things right, and so they would ask and ask until they got it and then straight away pack up. So “they” did it, but they didn’t learn anything, they didn’t take note of the experience or of the problem solving methods. That’s a very good story, and situation. It seems hard to know when you have to step in to show them. But I often feel that with something’s especially with languages that if you show them they won’t really get it. So I try to give them a hint or a partial solution, but then that just makes them angry and feel that I’m playing the fool with them.

I remember when I was learning Java at Ultimo TAFE, some students would never get things right, and so they would ask and ask until they got it and then straight away pack up. So “they” did it, but they didn’t learn anything, they didn’t take note of the experience or of the problem solving methods.

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